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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: July 09, 2014, 07:34:56 PM »

I guess experience counts quite a lot. If you practice typing soon you can see how people fit in without really thinking about model a or dichotomies.... Just the recurring patterns in how they look and behave and what you've seen before. To start with its hard because you don't even have 16 examples from real life to compare with. Maybe you can take a different angle by thinking about who you strongly relate to .... Celebrities friends or role models. If you could be someone else who would it be you could make a list....

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: July 07, 2014, 05:16:05 PM »

What do you think about Ne in the ego block anyway? You have tried out nearly every possible Type of information metabolism which is pretty much what Ne is about.

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: July 06, 2014, 08:44:44 PM »

I racked my brains to think of an alternative TIM if you were not LII and I thought of IEE because it makes some sense in terms of model A. I then watched your video and sort of dismissed the idea because I didn't think you looked like one. Understanding model a is the only real way to be sure though. If you narrow it down to 2 then you can focus on the big differences. LIIs and IEE deal with ti and fi very differently. You mentioned in your video that you are annoyed when people wont agree with you about the cup being orange. It seems you were talking about ti then (an agreement on reality) I think it's worth thinking about what you meant.

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: July 02, 2014, 09:38:53 PM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Novvwzpto Nigella Lawson SEE

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: July 02, 2014, 08:47:27 PM »

Firstly I think you want to have some space to think for yourself right. Being told how things are when you can't see the same reasoning doesn't help. I noticed you mentioned on WSS that your dad is LSI and that you don't really get on. I'd suggest that the trouble you're having with Olga's approach (you feel that logical rules are being forced on you) is  that it might seem quite close to LSI behaviour (remember Olga is Se creative). I watched your last video and I remember you saying "some people are too aggressive". You don't have to answer obviously but do you mean your Dad? I have an LSI dad and I find him far too controlling. As a result I tend to think very carefully before excepting other people's logic and sort of see ti as a potential means of manipulation... I was not as quick to get to LII as Olga but I have no problem in typing you LII Carrina .. I can see you are a smart person and your interest in science alone should be a big hint of being a researcher. Maybe have more of a think about things. If you come to realise that you are not SEE or have some questions you are very welcome to come back...

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: June 29, 2014, 05:50:00 PM »

I'm not trying to convince you of any type but I'll tell you about a sort of disagreement I've had with an LII over the education system. I was sort of between moving out of where I lived and finding a new place.... so staying in the same house as her with quite a few other people who were all artists. Two of them were doing a masters (second degree) in fine art in a good art school in London. Despite being quite capable they had both tested for slight dyslexia. As a result they were given quite a lot of computer equipment for free (I'm guessing roughly £1500s worth). I think everyone in the house knew that it wasn't something that they really needed but more like a lucky windfall from the Government. I had started to study Socionics at that time and knew she was LII but I didn't know that much then. She got REALLY quite angry and sort of red faced about the equipment thing and I was surprised how passionate and frustrated she was over something political that didn't actually directly affect her. She saw them (IEE and EII ) as being selfish and not thinking about whether excepting the equipment was ethically ok or fair knowing that the money could be spent on someone who needed more. The atmosphere in the room was quite Fe intense and me and my ILI friend made the situation 10 times worse by saying the wrong thing. We had started to argue something along the lines of "there is no fair test to test for fairness so you are simply thinking too much about it". I had not seen her angry before but that really did it.

You said you went out with an ILI before. Did you ever experience this sort of "I don't care" sort of attitude from him?

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: June 29, 2014, 12:40:10 PM »

I am sort of up and down about believing in some things in Socionics but this ti music makes me laugh because it sounds stupid to me. Maybe model a is more accurate than I think....

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: June 26, 2014, 07:07:36 PM »

Your aesthetic taste seems pretty consistent in film and music. Maybe as an experiment try posting on World Socionics the Will feral thing and ask people which Quadra does this sense of humour belong? Quadras are a bit like a set of social values but they are also understood as psychological age/mental age. Alfa being like a baby.....  To Delta being like old age. Gamma is quite an unlikely answer I would say.

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: June 25, 2014, 09:46:11 PM »

Hi Carrina. I'm here learning about aesthetics. It's not my profession and I can't validate Olga's typing. The face thing is her own method. Out of my own curiosity I'm keen to have a look at your choices. If you post something other people will also have a look and comment. I don't think you added any film scenes? You can think of a film you enjoyed watching quite a few times when you were younger. Then think of what scene was most striking or memorable. Sometimes it can be quite telling...

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: June 25, 2014, 07:20:42 PM »

I understand where Carrina is coming from. Of course there is a reason why people like certain songs, movies and art.... But normally it is beyond Someone's understanding. It takes a bit of belief to try something new and to be honest I get very mad with world Socionics people who are open minded enough to get into Socionics but feel that if you are more open minded than they are you deserve to be punished for being an idiot. Maybe someone's opinion is not much use unless you see where it comes from and just being confused is not what you are looking for.  I had a look at what you posted. Something's I couldn't make much sense of. The music mostly looked pretty static but I think you already worked out you are a rational introvert right? (which is a static type...). It seems to me that associative Socionics is a sort of additional tool to model A. Both measure how you think. Model a is more precision whereas associative Socionics is more to do with depth (it can quite easily work out your profile/subtype... Which I personally have found to be as important as the type)  feel frustrated by the process. I don't really have an opinion on your type. I can see where Olga is coming when she says you come across as Ti leading. You come across as articulate and driven by Logic.i didn't really feel like I got much from what you posted though. If you want to add more art or film scenes that you think are meaningful I'm happy to comment.

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: June 23, 2014, 07:54:45 PM »

I would be interested to hear what you mean about ILIs thinking they are superior. I don't get that sort of impression from the ESIs I know... Mostly I would say they are first...concerned about a relationship on an emotional level (do we seem to act like friends and agree what is a friendly way to behave with each other....). As far as logic or imagination is concerned they are either uninterested ( he is talking about something boring that i don't want to get involved in) or they seem either amused or slightly impressed with imaginative use of Ni or assertive use of Te. I wouldn't say superior is a word that I would expect as a complaint about me from an ESI. I wouldn't think that they see me as lacking creativity or perspective either. Can you think of an specific example when you thought an ILI was acting in that way?

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Драйзер - ESI / Re: Carrina

« on: June 22, 2014, 06:43:59 PM »

I agree with Olga here. I think you're someone who won't just agree with someone's opinion unless it makes sense to you aswell. Just as a point of conversation....you said that dances with wolves is a a film you like. What is the appeal for you?

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Бальзак - ILI / Re: ИЛИ -INTp - Balzac

« on: April 30, 2014, 07:06:09 PM »

http://youtu.be/Xwmn2pdr78M