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ТПЭ квадры - TPE quadras => Суперид- типы => Габен - SLI => Topic started by: Ольга on October 26, 2018, 10:40:25 AM
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Here is the topic of diagnostics for ishysquishy.
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Music
Like: intensity, interesting patterns, novel techniques. Metal is my favourite genre.
1) Rammstein -- Adios (https://vimeo.com/32468988)
This has been my favourite song since 2001. The album it is from, "Mutter", is also one of my most played albums.
There is no official music video, this is just a fan video.
2) Killswitch Engage -- Desperate Times (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3gqnmxYDGM)
Killswitch Engage -- Arms of Sorrow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EluzTj88tWU)
Killswitch Engage is my favourite band and this represents my favourite album, "As Daylight Dies" (which the song is from). I think I must have played the album hundreds of times since I got it, and a handful of songs (including these one) hundreds more. I couldn't pick between the two for which I liked more.
3) Linkin Park -- Lying From You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjdgcHdzvac)
Linkin Park -- Forgotten (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNCgBuI2eJc)
These are my favourite Linkin Park songs and actually represent the albums "Hybrid Theory" and "Meteora", both of which I play over and over. Linkin Park back when they were still nu metal, basically. I've been listening to them since I was in high school.
4) Sculthorpe -- Djilile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZvQ9iEz08c)
This piece has been arranged for many different instruments, including guitar, percussion, cello. I like them all. I played it on repeat while I was in labour. I'm generally not into "peaceful" music unless it has this hypnotic quality, but I really, really like the hypnotic quality.
5) Fort Minor -- Red to Black (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NSepK5M1ew)
I like hip hop generally speaking but this is a clear standout and my favourite hip hop track by a long way.
6) Interpol -- Heinrich Maneuver (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XlOI0JZm0)
I like the quirky rhythms, the bass line, the sense of momentum. I think the video is clever, I don't see what it has to do with the song but that's how it goes sometimes.
The rest I'm not sure how to order but I guess they're #7
Placebo -- One of a Kind (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6vbQJ4M7jM)
System of a Down -- Toxicity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iywaBOMvYLI)
I love the song. I don't really have strong feelings about the music video, aside from it's fun to watch Serj Tankian sing.
Metallica -- Unforgiven (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw)
I think the music video is good, but I don't really like watching it. I prefer heavy music to heavy videos; this is a bit much for most moods. I listen to the song by itself all the time though.
Interpol -- C'mere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6k2j4lJ59g)
Interpol's songs are always kind of inscrutable so I don't know what to make of the video. I just like the song.
Miike Snow -- Genghis Khan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SlAzsXa7E)
This is probably my favourite music video; I'm probably just as addicted to the video as I am to the song. The director is my dual!
GUNSHIP -- Tech Noir (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nC5TBv3sfU)
This is my other favourite music video. I really like these kinds of videos that play with your expectations instead of following traditional formats of "band performs in a location with choreographed dances" and such. It's probably about as perfect as you could reasonably expect, in my opinion.
Postmodern Jukebox -- A Mowtown Tribute to Nickelback (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KzP4bC1Ypg)
I love this kind of anachronistic music, and related genres like electro-swing. The performance on YouTube is not as good as on the actual album, but it's funny to watch Tambourine Guy.
Akeboshi - Wind (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCLBz7D9FSE)
I tend to automatically like songs better when the time signature is 5/8 (like this one) or 7/8.
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Dislike: "meditation" music, overly happy music
Meditation Music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt7jjEAWPds)
I cannot stand meditation music or anything that sounds like it's supposed to be relaxing or uplifting. It's insipid. I would rather relax and recharge to thrash metal.
Australian Christmas Carols (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnJ8jsw4BSo)
I don't like Christmas carols in the first place, but Australian ones are extra cringey. I dislike them so viscerally it's almost hard to describe why I think they're awful. The songs are too cheerful, Christmas is too commercialised, and the lyrics too "funny" and just another example of Australia piggy-backing on European cultural identity instead of growing up and forming its own.
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Art
Like: mixed-media, ocean theme, paired animals, simple
Dislike: Really absurd or gory things
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Favourite art
(https://i.postimg.cc/r0RSjVqM/yes10.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0RSjVqM) (https://i.postimg.cc/67mrC2JM/yes11.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67mrC2JM) (https://i.postimg.cc/T58nHzPm/yes12.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T58nHzPm) (https://i.postimg.cc/qtRctcYt/yes13.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtRctcYt) (https://i.postimg.cc/yW9mS8fT/yes14.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yW9mS8fT) (https://i.postimg.cc/w1FcT4W8/yes15.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w1FcT4W8) (https://i.postimg.cc/LgzjdxqW/yes9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LgzjdxqW) (https://i.postimg.cc/zHj3S6Hq/Yes6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHj3S6Hq) (https://i.postimg.cc/N2Y5XBMN/Yes7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2Y5XBMN) (https://i.postimg.cc/G8v49Hc8/Yes8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8v49Hc8)
These pictures are bright in colour which I would refer to extraversion. The colour choice points towards dynamics - combination of cold and hot colours like red/orange with blue and black. At the same time there is no sign of irrationality, very orderly, understandable scenes. I would refer this art as dynamics and rational and hence Ego - art.
At the level of the functional profile we can clearly differentiate preference for sensing (that sea art) and logics (no people present but landscapes and animals). The pictures show preference Si over Se. Love for the sea is typical for types with strong Si. Presence of bright red and orange colours points to the passionate nature and Fe in the mental block of model A.
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Art on the walls at home:
(https://i.postimg.cc/7fZStnHK/Yes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7fZStnHK) (https://i.postimg.cc/9rgZ6wzC/Yes1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rgZ6wzC) (https://i.postimg.cc/pm9zRVn8/Yes2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pm9zRVn8) (https://i.postimg.cc/qg0syd9V/Yes3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qg0syd9V) (https://i.postimg.cc/dDB89xY7/Yes4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dDB89xY7) (https://i.postimg.cc/JH1jLbb4/yes5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JH1jLbb4)
These pictures characterise ishysquishy as a logical and sensing type. They are more in line with Superid energy, gloomy images with blood dripping, faces covered or not present, no beauty/harmony which we see in the pictures of nature above. The colour choice is pointing to dynamics and introversion.
While these pictures represent Superid energy they are not as aggressive and may appear from time to time in the lists of rational sensory-logical types like LSI, for example.
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Dislikes in Art
(https://i.postimg.cc/2V1VBc8N/NO2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2V1VBc8N) (https://i.postimg.cc/Jt6s0V8Q/NO3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jt6s0V8Q) (https://i.postimg.cc/rdNmL7gx/NO1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdNmL7gx) (https://i.postimg.cc/bDYvYLFM/NO-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDYvYLFM)
Her dislikes point to Statics and Extraversion (Id) which we can see in the first two pictures. Third picture points to dislike of phantasy images (intuition and logics (Ni+Te), Superid. The last picture represent negative Si and hardly liked by any of the types. Such pictures often suggested by the clients in dislikes lists.
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Pictures look like SuperEgo TPE, static, rather rational, logical
Irrational pictures (mostly SuperId) are in opposition.
So we can suppose rational or static profile.
In music one can hear F, static.
Id and Intuitive SuperEgo / SuperId music in opposition.
The hypothetical type-version is LSI. Subtypes - SLE, LSE.
Less likely versions - LII, ILE. Depends on additional information.
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Thank you, Cheburashka! More information is on the way, pictures and style of dress. Please, click on the picture to enlarge:
(https://i.postimg.cc/B85m9xzX/44924151-2060073167377025-3886911111861108736-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B85m9xzX) (https://i.postimg.cc/YhVn12gq/44986434-340203076540552-4849656764590718976-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhVn12gq) (https://i.postimg.cc/CRGGzws2/43612942-2234215330141953-3266145680250372096-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRGGzws2) (https://i.postimg.cc/N9zTWFQK/44896691-175035530108470-1046197421341671424-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N9zTWFQK) (https://i.postimg.cc/LqyZ15Yx/44889117-922545784617993-2300657330125012992-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqyZ15Yx) (https://i.postimg.cc/rKS09QR0/44911917-335266787236989-3655215007974555648-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKS09QR0) (https://i.postimg.cc/xX5Xw8R9/44897500-1021301634723172-2830657265114021888-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xX5Xw8R9) (https://i.postimg.cc/5HtXbJ7L/44986447-1855870914520096-564672295436550144-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5HtXbJ7L) (https://i.postimg.cc/t76YX25S/44953694-191820698367279-3207225347493855232-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t76YX25S) (https://i.postimg.cc/zV5Xq53v/44889263-2788476147844961-7483705373380050944-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zV5Xq53v) (https://i.postimg.cc/vxGFwYXd/44959230-242046489825440-4667618037493399552-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxGFwYXd)
Looking at the photos first thing you notice is a choice of colours of the dress which is black and red. This combination of colours points to the preference for dynamics. Black and white is a classical combination which is loved by logical types and not just by them but also by Ego-types and introverts too.
Hair style and facial features fit LSE type but could be also SLI as well. The pictures do not make me think of introversion even though there is a lot of black clothes. To my view the lady is confident enough, open and ready to engage with the environment and people around her. The additional red colours attract attention of the public to her personality. I also do not see anything in her look that would make me think that she is an irrational type.
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Made herself, mirror, painted table. Please, enlarge:
(https://i.postimg.cc/8JY4hDnV/44892755-350535585702616-4136017814869770240-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JY4hDnV) (https://i.postimg.cc/p5nZC7g5/44926412-2260676254165937-6637321779247316992-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5nZC7g5) (https://i.postimg.cc/c6KXdgr1/44974789-347183036035207-7299791914532864000-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6KXdgr1)
The mirror probably the best describes as hands on sensing type and yellow represent sensing and Se in the associative model, warm colour of sun lovers.
The second picture can be perceived as abstract and logical and reminds space theme. Could be referred to intuition but not necessarily. This picture is in line with her preference for dynamics and I would associate this picture with Superid. However similar pictures appear in the lists not only of Superid types as space these is a popular these of intuitive types. The sky covered in small dots can also represent Si but this is the detail which is not important to consider in relation to the second picture. Third picture is also abstract and the best described as dynamic and logical in nature.
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Results of the test of art preferences:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vDdMr1DP/43559289-347367452680192-3676298598703693824-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/vDdMr1DP) (https://i.postimg.cc/30ZtpfWH/44838394-2471199726223561-6096578361524486144-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/30ZtpfWH) (https://i.postimg.cc/VSCQM1wQ/44827973-290266974920452-6279207526365921280-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/VSCQM1wQ)
What we pay attention to when analysing test results is what is changing and what stays the same. The traits that change require more detailed attention as we cannot be sure on them and we can give credit to the traits that stay the same.
This test assess preferences in art on a number of diverse pictures and shows how they change:
Statics - Dynamics: 36/64 55/45 50/50
Extraversion - Introversion 23/77 18/82 41/59
Rationality - Irrationality 83/17 85/15 82/18
Statics - dynamics is least reliable while rationality-irrationality is most reliable and possible introversion according to this test.
All three results fall nicely into Superego- type while subtype energy is most likely to be Ego, then Superid and hardly any space for Id energy.
The TPE profile is Superego - Ego - Superid - Id.
Now we look at how values for the functions change:
Logics- Ethics 58/42 67/33 31/69
Sensing- Intuition 31/69 46/54 47/53
The values are not very much apart and vary, require more exploration. According to the the results within TPE Superego are most likely LII and EII.
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Results for Subtype test:
This test like a Nonverbal test assess psychodynamics (distribution of energy of a certain type) based on the art preferences (colour and shape).
(https://i.postimg.cc/z39K5YDb/44869194-525256004619497-7006481476833247232-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/z39K5YDb) (https://i.postimg.cc/gn8R2trM/44882424-307006260030196-3147157932051791872-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/gn8R2trM)(https://i.postimg.cc/jnj1Nsxt/44913691-564050110685246-1562820036442193920-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/jnj1Nsxt)
Test results point towards leading energy of Superid, suggesting strong introversion and irrationality. This result contradicts with the result of the non-verbal test with a strong rationality. At the same time the results match in relation to the preference for introversion.
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Results of Associative test:
(https://i.postimg.cc/DJ4FGdBx/44929852-716932702013255-8019606855426768896-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/DJ4FGdBx) (https://i.postimg.cc/2qZFnj5D/44865351-2173708532948873-6236209556498677760-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/2qZFnj5D)
This test includes verbal and non-verbal part. The verbal part-reflects the conscious choice of function by the client. On the whole this test I consider more reliable than the other tests if we have inconsistency in test results.
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Results for type-subtype analyser based on the personal preferences of the functions/information aspects.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RqH5qwms/44924163-298966350719045-6217668380250341376-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/RqH5qwms) (https://i.postimg.cc/kRxkqjgt/45039340-1094992597342086-1513830329498992640-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/kRxkqjgt)
Type-subtype analyser is very useful in showing what the client think about his/her type. The expert has chance to point to the questions which need to be cleared in order to understand the type better.
The results of analyser are in agreement with the subtype test which suggested stronger irrationality and introversion. It also shows that in realtion to the functional profile the client has got very lear view of her type as ST - logics and sensing. We have a match with the result of associative test which pointed to SLI. This seems to be the most plausible option of type for ishysquishy.
However there are a few things we could look at in more detail. if we consider basic dichotomies then they are not much apart and the difference is often for 1 value which creates doubt about her leading type of energy:
Dynamics - statics 14/15 14/14
Introversion - Extraversion 15/14 15/13
Rationality - Irrationality 13/16 13/15
To help the client to get a better view of her type we would suggest to clarify the version of logics in her mental block of model A. It is not possible to have both logics at the same strength within the psyche. I will give the links to read about different types of logics.
Logically we can say that if the client is very confident that Si is stronger than Se then it must be Te preference over Ti.
Also it would be a good idea to consider the other functions preferences Ne/Ni and Fe/Fi.
The links to read:
http://socionics4you.com/post-13732?lang=en (http://socionics4you.com/post-13732?lang=en)
http://socionics4you.com/post-1496?lang=en (http://socionics4you.com/post-1496?lang=en)
http://socionics4you.com/post-468?lang=en (http://socionics4you.com/post-468?lang=en)
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In my opinion, Fe is my vulnerable function. I'm considered very unexpressive, to the point where people assume I'm never anxious and I don't care about anything. I feel uncomfortable around dramatic displays of emotion and I would rather leave the room. Understanding how people are feeling and trying to influence those feelings are probably my worst skills.
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I believe my type is SLI. I essentially decided this myself, through study. I am most certain of having strong Si. Some people have different opinions on my type; ILI, ESI, EII and probably others that I am unaware of. I used to think I was SEI, when I lacked confidence in myself and tried very hard to be nice to people.
Is this enough or do I need to write more?
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Thank you, ishysquishy. It is enough.
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My videos:
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qhSDpCc_OQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qhSDpCc_OQ)
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKdQCUlQjd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKdQCUlQjd0)
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfub6nVO78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfub6nVO78)
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With Ti vs Te I can easily say I think Te is in the ego -- the thing is that I think I'm just as "in tune" with both of them, but I don't care about logically consistent frameworks anywhere near as much as whether or not what is being presented is factual. Sometimes I criticise people very strongly about weak Ti but that's only if there is no other "merit" to their argument, if it's only "theory" -- if they have observations they just haven't connected together very well I might give some kind of feedback but I don't thin kit warrants any kind of strong criticism.
This happens on WSS sometimes, someone will come in with a poorly-explained diagram or theory that doesn't say anything about actual humans (which Socionics is supposed to be about!), and I can actually be very impatient with them.
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I would like briefly comment on the music. Most of the songs are heavy metal which have tension, passion, dramatic. In relation to melody many of them fit the type of energy Ego but at the same time some of them are much heavier in sound than Ego-music is. That is why majority of songs either fall into Superid energy or what I call dynamic music - in between the two types of energy Ego- and Superid.
For logical Superid types are typical songs containing wheezing, resembling the roar of animals from pain, which is the best way to indicate the painful function of extraverted ethics. For example:
1)Desperate Times · Killswitch Engage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3gqnmxYDGM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3gqnmxYDGM)
Some of ishysquishy's favourite music we can find in the favourites of ILI type, for example:
System Of A Down - Toxicity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iywaBOMvYLI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iywaBOMvYLI)
Peter Sculthorpe Djilile - performed by Tamara-Anna Cislowska
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZvQ9iEz08c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZvQ9iEz08c)
Most of her music can be understood as a preference for logics but may be in some songs it is more clearly seen than in others. Something like this can be related easily to logics:
Interpol - C'mere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6k2j4lJ59g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6k2j4lJ59g)
Metallica - The Unforgiven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw)
This song fits more her base function Si often found in jazz.
Dislikes
Meditation music can be liked by SLIs but may be of a different kind. I assume that this music could be dislike by ishysquishy because it is perceived either as monotonic or too intuitive. This makes me think that her preferences in music fit more dynamic music than introverted or irrational.
Музыка для Медитации и Релаксации Сознания и Тела, Расслабляющая Музыка, Спокойная музыка
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt7jjEAWPds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt7jjEAWPds)
Her second choice of disliked music is related to Id-music. In her non-verbal preferences ishysquishy showed rejection to primitive childish type of music which the best fit Id-energy. This type of energy is the least presented in her psyche.
Aussie Jingle Bells - Bucko & Champs - THE ORIGINAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnJ8jsw4BSo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnJ8jsw4BSo)
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I agree with the ishysquishy's choice of type SLI and would suggest that out of three subtypes available to this type dynamic subtype would fit her the best. Second best subtype would be introverted and the least present subtype would be irrational.
Her TPE profile (distribution of energy types within the psyche) would be following: Superid - Ego - Superego - Id
Subtype by TPE profile would be LSE and within her group of type it will be ILI.
Logical SLI with a subtype LSE.
I will not comment on her videos right now as I wish to leave it for the discussion in the group FB.
I would like to thank ishysquishy for sharing personal information about her personality type and making it possible for me to demonstrate the method of associative psychodiagnostics for personality type identification.